Sunday, April 19, 2009

A Critique of Kiruv

I have a number of problems with the kiruv movement.

My number one problem with it is it operates on different premises than the FFB world. FFB's in general are born frum, raised frum, by FFB parents. Their number one goal is to remain religious, and keep the faith going.

BT's on the other hand, are a different story. They come from a secular background, and are generally convinced by rabbis/religious institutions to become religious. Bear in mind, they often have a high level of respect for tradition and history. They may have a high level of trust in the rabbis they meet. Ripe for the picking they are.

There is a high level of excitement, the novelty of Torah they're learning. That, combined with the element of surprise, often gives the rabbis an advantage in winning over their charges to their way of life.

The point to remember is, again, they operate on different premises. FFB's practice because that's how they've always been, their job is to maintain their traditions, and those beliefs better be true. If they're not? Nisht geferlach. BT's, on the other hand, are entering "independently" at a later stage in life, for the most part because they've been convinced that this way of life is Right and True. Many BT's will literally say that they've explored the world's religions, had absolute freedom to choose any way of life they so desired, yet came to the conclusion that Orthodox Judaism is Right and True, and therefore live their lives as practicing Orthodox Jews. Also, let's not forget that in the FFB world, God is unquestionable. In the BT world, not as much.

How kiruv people con their charges is something of a mystery to me. To clarify, I have an idea what it is they tell them, but I have no idea why the people buy it. All I can say is, they probably sugarcoat it a LOT.

Now I have a point to make: All those kiruv rabbis are purportedly selling pre-packaged, canned, perfect truth, are they not? All those wonderful ex-professors and brilliant geniuses (yes, the Gottliebs and Tatzes of the world) are really the bomb, no? They got it all together, don't they? Then why not allow atheists or OTDers or any kind of opponents to share their point of view? Maybe invite some guest lecturers, who don't have the same agenda you do? If you're so sure you're selling truth to your students, why don't you allow them to hear conflicting views, and judge for themselves? You don't trust them? You can't afford it? hmmm.

Isn't looking for counter-arguments an integral part of assessing arguments? Shouldn't the students be shown all the relevant information on BOTH sides before being expected to make a decision? Shouldn't they be allowed to get their facts straight? Isn't it essentially straw men arguments your wonderful rabbis construct of opposing views in, say, evolution, before "demolishing" them?

Remember the key point I mentioned in the beginning: Kiruv operates by selling truth, whereas the FFB world works by selling gornisht. Methinks the majority of them wonder what the hell could have gotten into the head of this poor BT to make them switch. It was funny for me, as a kid, reading kiruv books such as "The Kiruv Files" and always being surprised. At the reasons people had for going BT, at the method of argumentation, at the things BT's would say, or the kiruv workers to them. Kiruv is dangerous because it holds the frum world, even the FFB world, to a much higher standard of truth than religion has normally been accustomed to. It raises the stakes in an already precarious game. Sure, it might net you some wonderful, loaded enthusiasts, but is it worth it for all those you'll lose when they, pardon the French, realize it's all boolsheet?

I was staying at a major kiruv family, also relatives of mine, in Israel a few years ago. I noticed a guy there who seemed a bit overwhelmed with all the culture he was being exposed to. He was probably on a few week summer "program" and, I imagine, was being subjected to intense brainwashing back at headquarters during the week. He seemed so perplexed, or perhaps, shocked. I wanted to run up to him sitting there all forlornly on the couch, and yell at him, "Run! As fast as you can! Get away from this cult! They'll lie and misrepresent reality 'til the cows come home, or you become frum!" Of course, I did nothing. (Reminds me of an interesting story I heard recently from a friend. The kid of a kiruv family was in a similar situation. He quietly handed a piece of paper with the url of Daat Emet to such a guest. Shoyn.)

You can see where this might lead to problems with the next generation of BT children. FFB's are taught to be frum because, just because, and stop asking your silly questions already. BT's kids are taught to be frum because it's the only true way to live. Many of them will claim, at least in theory (or if their name is Garnel or Tatz or Gottlieb they'll lie) that if one REALLY searches, they'll be convinced the Torah way of life is true. Erm...I think not. As I've said before, it's a recipe for disaster. It's a very dangerous thing to say, and you better, BETTER be backed up with evidence.

Two more stories: My parents have always been proud of their decision to go BT, and I don't blame them. (It's not their fault their rabbis lied to them.) They were instilled with a sense of pride about their BT status, and while I'm sure they knew many in the frum world discriminated against them, they overall felt they belonged. One day, my parents were called in for a meeting with my high school rosh yeshiva. All I know is it didn't go well. When I got home, I saw my father sitting, ashen-faced, in his study, with my mother not looking a lot happier. They didn't give me too many details, but from what I understood, they were grossly disrespected by the rosh yeshiva, and it came as a major shock to them. I guess the fact that the same rosh yeshiva kissed up to them majorly at my bar mitzva a year before, and the fact that they were trained to have an immense amount of pride in their newfound BT status may have had something to do with it. Something about this rosh yeshiva's behavior shocked them, and awoke them to the reality that maybe they weren't quite as highly-regarded as the kiruv places would have you believe.

Side note: Don't you dare trash BT's. I've seen this happen many times, especially at the beginning of this blog, when I disclosed that my parents are BT's, that BT's overdo it, yada yada shmada. How dare you make such generalizations, and judge people who gave up so much for what they were conned into believing is the right way to live, by white-haired rabbis, mind you. In this f---ing blogosphere, you can have half a head, if you're with the frummies, you're the greatest thing since sliced bread. Come one, come all, converts, BT's, the whole nine yards. We'll love and respect you, and wouldn't even dream of questioning you, your beliefs, or your lineage, as long as you don't give us any grief. If you call yourself an OTDer and - horror of horrors! - discuss your OTDness, well then, expect us to haul out the microscopes and go over every detail of your posted life with a fine-toothed comb (it's so relevant, of course). Of course, PLEEZE!, tell us your story. Then we can pick it apart and trash you. All in a day's work. But we LOVE YOU!!!! Fine arrangement you have there.

One more story: Also in Israel, I went for a Shabbos meal to a choshuve rosh yeshiva, my father's rosh yeshiva while studying in a kiruv yeshiva in Israel. I was expecting a warm welcome from this eminent rabbi as, after all, my father was "top guy" in his place for years, if my mother was to be believed. What shocked me wasn't so much that he treated me like a complete stranger, and seemed not to recognize my father's name one bit, but my utter lack of a positive impression of him. He seemed like any other rabbi to me, and I couldn't for the life of me understand how not only was my father inspired by this man, but inspired enough to change his whole life around. Teiku.

26 comments:

Off the Derech said...

By the way, I neglected to mention that I sensed a small amount of guilt from this rabbi, in the last story. It's hardly ever talked about, but there is a certain amount of guilt that goes along with doing kiruv, this little, niggling thought in the back of your mind that maybe I shouldn't have exaggerated so much to that poor, naive BT, misrepresented those facts, or told that white lie. I mean, I'm told that our religion is correct, and the ends justify the means of course, but still, maybe I should just lay out the facts and allow them to decide for themselves? Oh wait. There's a good chance I was lied to about science by my kiruv trainers as well. And the cycle continues...

Julia said...

(Reminds me of an interesting story I heard recently from a friend. The kid of a kiruv family in Israel was in a similar situation. After Shabbos, she quietly handed a piece of paper with the url of Daat Emet to such a guest. Shoyn.) I know a story almost exactly like that, except the kid was a son, not a daughter, the kiruv family was not in Israel, and he didn't wait until after shabbos to give the potential BTs the URL. :)

Off the Derech said...

Hmm, we must know the same people...

Apikores said...

Unfortunately, I think most BTs start out already believing in some kind of higher power, which makes them, like you say, "ripe for the picking". I guess this of one of the bad side-effects of "moderate faith"; once you start to accept things on faith you make yourself vulnerable to more extreme versions of religion, like that proffered by the kiruv people.

Off the Derech said...

AP: That's a great point, I think. The rosheshiva (Dawkins) would be proud:)

Joshua said...

Deception in missionizing is by no means unique to kiruvists. One sees this also with evangelical Christians for example. The nature of the deception is not identical but the overall effect is similar.

Also, I suspect that many of the people who go into kiruv are doing so precisely because they have their own doubts and that this is a way of more or less trying to self-brainwash. If they can convince other people that frumkeit is correct then they should have less reason to doubt it or something like that.

Joshua said...

Also one other issue: I'm going to disagree with Apikores slightly: Moderate faith isn't a problem per se so much as moderate faith with general ignorance. My impression is that the people most vulnerable to kiruv are those who have some sort of moderate faith but have little in the way of Jewish knowledge. Someone who has moderate faith but didn't get a basic education about yiddishkeit will be far more vulnerable than someone who has moderate faith but went to some form of Jewish day school.

Yudi Benamou said...

i do not know where you get your facts from, but as the child of 2 kiruv workers (ie-they started an outreach center for BT's, where there are classes every night, davening every day, etc.), and being deeply entrenched into this outreach atmosphere, the major and vast majority of people who walk thru the door are there because they WANT TO BE THERE. we do not force feed them anything. they are there because they want to be there, and we act as their tool to help them in whatever they are there for, be it putting on teffilin, kashering the house, taharat hamispacha, to even learning gemarah, and sending them to yeshivot. we do not show them pow-wow videos, or dump them in Israel for 3 weeks, or anything like that, because when you force-feed someone like that, they end up "throwing it up".

the way to "convince" someone about torah is NOT to do the pow-wow type thing, but rather thru furious q and a sessions, where you help "prod" someone to their own conclusions. (As someone who does kiruv, this is something i feel is very wrong with programs such a Aish.) the biggest problem is that people like you only hear about the large org's. like Aish, get their facts about kiruv from what they do, and then make these sort of conclusions (and i cant blame you: this is why my parents decided to go independant, instead of working for an umbrella org.)

and one last thing: as a 15-year old teen, i can say to you with certainty that one of the best ways for an FFB (yes, i am a pure-blood FFB, my mother is chassidish, my father learnt in Yeshivat HaNegev, which is on par with the Mir and Ponovitch)to be inspired to stay frum is by doing kiruv, because when you are in you yeshiva environment, being told what to do by ppl in black hats, i can see why so many kids go off the derech. however, when you see someone who was off the derech, did all the things that the yeshiva kids wish they could do, and yet want to become frum, there is no better proof to frumkeit. and i have seen with my own eyes yeshiva kids that have come to help us for the summer, and turn over a totally new leaf in their frumkeit.

Apikores said...

Joshua,

I agree that ignorance is also a big problem, in that it makes people unable to recognize the outright lies. But I do think moderate faith is also a problem. I think it would usually be harder to be mikarev a rationalist who is ignorant about Judaism than a person of moderate faith.

OTD,

If Dawkins is the rosh yeshiva, is Hitchens the mashpiah? I'd go to that yeshiva. LOL

Off the Derech said...

>If Dawkins is the rosh yeshiva, is Hitchens the mashpiah? I'd go to that yeshiva. LOL

And Dennett's the tzadik, and Harris is the guy who plays too much basketball.

Off the Derech said...

Yudi:
You haven't really addressed any of the points made, but hey, I'm not too picky.

>i do not know where you get your facts from<
From the same place you do. Your tush.

>because when you force-feed someone like that, they end up "throwing it up".<
So you're basically condemning most of the kiruv programs in the world for force-feeding their students (while not being up-front about it, mind you). The problem is not that there is anything ethically improper with that approach, but that it's less "effective" in achieving the desired goal, which is to, er, convert people. Okay. How about this rad idea though? Maybe let them come, have no agenda, show them everything they want and EVERYTHING THERE IS TO KNOW, and allow them to come to their own conclusions? That isn't possible, is it? Didn't think so.

>where you help "prod" someone to their own conclusions.<
I'm certainly familiar with that. It's also called "pressure" and "busting one's balls."

>the biggest problem is that people like you only hear about the large org's. like Aish, get their facts about kiruv from what they do, and then make these sort of conclusions<
So now we GENERALIZE about kiruv too. Only SOME of us are corrupt, not ALL. I'm quite familiar by now with that line of reasoning.

One more thing: Since you're so intimately familiar with the workings of the kiruv world, can you tell me what's your approach to answering general questions? Do you put a significant amount of positive spin to your answers, or are you brutally honest?

Otherwise, your comment was half-decent.

Compulsive Hand Washer said...

Just out of curiosity OTD, what kind of "arguments" do kiruv people use to try to sway BTs?

Off the Derech said...

CPH: I have no idea who the hell you are, and whether or not this is some kind of trap (it probably is), but I'll answer to the best of my knowledge anyway.

It's not really for me to say, as kiruv is not what I do for a living. It would be nice if the kiruv professionals would be more transparent, and have most of their arguments out there in the public sphere, where they can be praised or criticized. Most of it, however, is done behind closed doors, and is highly secretive. For example, a Lev L'Achim head might prepare a bunch of avreichim on how to be mekarev secular Jews in a few hour crash-course format. I doubt there's really any books being used, or any records taken, and definitely not any kind of media or representative of the public on hand. But it's probably more or less advice from an expert on the tricks of the trade. My point here is that it's nothing like, say, a college class, where there's a high level of accountability. It's done very hush hush, and it's very hard to police. For example, if they were being told to drug their charges, I doubt word would get out, because that would require a snitch, and it's rare to find a Jew who will report on the "authorities" in such a way (not that I'm implying they tell them to drug anyone. I'm just making a point).

As far as what it is exactly they use to be mekarev people, again, i'm not an expert, but I can take a guess. Quite possibly a colorful mix of impressive-sounding scientific arguments in favor of God, intelligent design, etc, followed by a nice long appeal to the emotions, re the wonderful life just waiting for them in the frum world, the blissful state of being they can expect, the low divrce rates,and legendary community cohesiveness. Mixed with a clever blend of whatever else the sharp-eyed rabbi estimates the person wants to hear, and they seal the deal.

Joshua said...

Apikores, that's probably true. I'm not quite sure how to test any of that speculation.

Yudi, and yet people convert to evangelical Christianity all the time also. Is that evidence for that religion? That people can be convinced to follow a religion has little to do with the correctness of that religion.

Chaim said...

I will try to help you understand the logic behind a kiruv system that is completely one-sided (does not present any viable counterarguments). To do this I will try to encourage you to think of the situation from a purely objective point of view. This can be done by accepting, for argument sake, that Judaism is completely true. In other words, "pretend that everything about Judaism is true even if you don't think it is." Now in this imagined world where Judaism is completely true, what is the right thing for you as a Jew to be doing. You must understand that this is the situation inside the minds of the kiruv workers. I think you would agree that in a "theoretical" world where Judaism "is" completely correct, there would be no logical reason for presenting counter arguments even if they did exist.

Off the Derech said...

(Why am I taking frum comments?)
Chaim: in theory, your theory is wonderful.
In reality, I'm not so sure.
While you're pulling theories out of your ass, I'll try it too: Let's say, for argument's sake (hey, I'm just trying to help you understand) that all kiruv rabbis do not believe in God, but were forced to pretend they did. Now, let's just imagine that was the reality. Wouldn't that make kiruv a paragon of corruption?

Houston, we have a problem.

Joshua said...

Chaim, your argument doesn't hold. If I think something is correct of course I'll mention counterarguments. If not, it suggests I have something to hide. Moreover, one is never completely certain about anything and so should therefore be willing to listen to the arguments against something. If some form of Judaism is objectively true it should have no fear of reasoned discussion and criticism.

Compulsive Hand Washer said...

OTD, I'm not trying to trap you; I'm not even Jewish. I just find a lot of the "logic" religious fundamentalists use quite amusing and was in the mood for a good laugh.

Off the Derech said...

Compulsive: Forgive me, I was just being paranoid.

Joshua said...

Compulsive, your ame sends off misleading signals since much of Judaism involves repeated handwashing. There are many jokes about how Judaism was made for people with OCD. It is actually a serious issue with treatment of frum people who have OCD in trying to figure out/decide what is OCD and what is "valid" religious behavior.

kisarita said...

I got into kiruv when i was around 20.I think because it was my only legitimate window to the world.

In the beginning worked in the heritage house in jerusalem. one of the things they had us do was fill cards on the guests- "HOT!" or some such. Something just struck me as too offensive about that and I never filled those cards out.

We were also primed with party lines to parrot.

OTDers, Anyone who was already frum, or folks over 30 were not allowed. in other words, anyone who might be two smart for our line.

One of the guests told me one day "You're the only one here who's not trying to brainwash us" I take pride in that to this day.

Of course, someone else to this day credits me for having brought god into her life, she's frum, and messed up, but she was messed up before so I'm not guilty.

Off the Derech said...

Kisarita:
Let me just say it.
That was one of the best comments on this blog ever.

cipher said...

As OTD knows, I have a young cousin in Chabad. Two comments here remind me of him:

There are many jokes about how Judaism was made for people with OCD. It is actually a serious issue with treatment of frum people who have OCD in trying to figure out/decide what is OCD and what is "valid" religious behavior.My cousin has OCD; it runs in the family. I've been convinced for years that's been a large part of the attraction - the obsession with ritual serves as an outlet.

Deception in missionizing is by no means unique to kiruvists. One sees this also with evangelical Christians for example.I once asked him why he believes. He immediately started parroting something they'd told him about the Rebbe, every word being holy or something. I had to ask three times - "But why do you believe?" He finally got it, looked down at the table and said, very quietly, "Well, when you study it, you see how beautiful it all is." He sounded as though I'd caught him off guard, and he was trying to convince himself. I told him, "Here is my problem - every proselytizer, from every religion, says the same thing." He didn't answer me.

Compulsive Hand Washer said...

Joshua, I haven't officially been diagnosed with OCD but anyone who knows me well enough knows my behavior isn't normal. I was once looking into Judaism and spent a Shabbos with a Modern-Orthodox family. I was pretty thrilled with all the hand washing that went on. I wasn't very pleased with the no showering on Shabbos or the inability to use my electric toothbrush though.

Joshua said...

Compulsive, did they let you use toothpaste? Many Orthodox Jews won't use toothpaste on Shabbat either. Makes going to some shuls in the morning really unpleasant. And then there are all the people who think that roll on deodorant is forbidden on Shabbat but for some reason don't use the spray kind either (I think for some worry about sublimating the internal contents being work for reasons I don't understand). Makes shul on shabbat morning real fun.

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